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Topic Started: Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM (728 Views)
Willie
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Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

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Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

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Perhaps he didn't trust Bruce to spend his money wisely. Could be a big indication that CY may be thinking of replacing him - despite the dreaded vote of confidence.
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Sep 4 2007, 09:46 PM
Willie
Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

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Perhaps he didn't trust Bruce to spend his money wisely. Could be a big indication that CY may be thinking of replacing him - despite the dreaded vote of confidence.

Or perhaps he just hasnt got any to spend!
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Sep 4 2007, 10:46 PM
Willie
Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

Perhaps he didn't trust Bruce to spend his money wisely. Could be a big indication that CY may be thinking of replacing him - despite the dreaded vote of confidence.

So other than turning yet another thread on to you're specialist subject you do not have a clue?
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Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

The only difference I can see is that the Pompey fellah was reported as having a very dodgy past (very much like the Manchester City benefactor who I still cannot believe to this day has been given control of an English PL club)....talk of involvement with Russian gangsters,money laundering and fraud etc although it all seems to have died away ....he claimed his innocence and that was that

The other difference is that remember Carson Yeung only holds 29.9 per cent of shares in the club which is the biggest holding but if you combine the shares held by The Golds,Sullivan and Brady they still hold the power in the boardroom (i.e can use votes to their own advantage OR put the block on some or all of Yeung's plans )

I imagine once we see 'complete and total' ownership by Mr Yeung then we may,just may see what kind of cash he is prepared to put in

Really think he has ideas of his own TBH....and that includes the position of Bruce.............SB is actually a little concerned at this takeover ..and he's mentioned it already and so I believe changes may well be on the way.......the absolutely disgraceful showing at The Riverside won't have helped Steve's cause at all
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Willie
Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

The only difference I can see is that the Pompey fellah was reported as having a very dodgy past (very much like the Manchester City benefactor who I still cannot believe to this day has been given control of an English PL club)....talk of involvement with Russian gangsters,money laundering and fraud etc although it all seems to have died away ....he claimed his innocence and that was that

The other difference is that remember Carson Yeung only holds 29.9 per cent of shares in the club which is the biggest holding but if you combine the shares held by The Golds,Sullivan and Brady they still hold the power in the boardroom (i.e can use votes to their own advantage OR put the block on some or all of Yeung's plans )

I imagine once we see 'complete and total' ownership by Mr Yeung then we may,just may see what kind of cash he is prepared to put in

Really think he has ideas of his own TBH....and that includes the position of Bruce.............SB is actually a little concerned at this takeover ..and he's mentioned it already and so I believe changes may well be on the way.......the absolutely disgraceful showing at The Riverside won't have helped Steve's cause at all

Yet another one who has no idea but takes the opportunity to spout more negativity.

Its a fairly simple question Gaydamack bought a shareholding in Pompey, similar to what Yeung has at Bcfc.
gaydamack then also provided funds for Redknapp to bring players in. he did this some months before taking full control of Pompey. was there anything stopping Yeung paying the £15m to buy his 29.9 stake and then as a major sharholder providing funds for players?
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I believe Gaydamak's initial purchase was for 50% of Portsmouth, whence he effectively couldn't be voted out. I'm guessing Yeung on the other hand won't risk substantial investment until he has at least the same foothold within Blues.
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I cant see anything legally stopping him Willie. If that is so do we question his motives? He seems committed to buying the club. As has been said before and without spouting negativity, does he want to spend his readies with a new regime in place? Does he wait until after Christmas and if the season has gone tits up big time try to sell on his stake and bail out.

I can not see a businessman pumping umpteen millions into a venture (and thats what it is, not a love affair with the Blues) without trying to ensure our continued presence in the top flight. He may have different ideas about how that is achieved.

If he buys control of the club then he calls the shots, managerial or otherwise, to try and protect and grow his investment. You can be sure there will be no sentimentality about it. We aint got a lot of choice but to support the club and go along for a ride.
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I cant see anything legally stopping him Willie. If that is so do we question his motives? He seems committed to buying the club. As has been said before and without spouting negativity, does he want to spend his readies with a new regime in place? Does he wait until after Christmas and if the season has gone tits up big time try to sell on his stake and bail out.

I can not see a businessman pumping umpteen millions into a venture (and thats what it is, not a love affair with the Blues) without trying to ensure our continued presence in the top flight. He may have different ideas about how that is achieved.

If he buys control of the club then he calls the shots, managerial or otherwise, to try and protect and grow his investment. You can be sure there will be no sentimentality about it. We aint got a lot of choice but to support the club and go along for a ride.

I am not really questioning his motives as such. I was just curious to see if there was a legal reason to prevent any such investment, before assuming full control of the club.

cheers
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Willie
Sep 5 2007, 06:10 AM
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Sep 5 2007, 06:57 AM
I cant see anything legally stopping him Willie. If that is so do we question his motives? He seems committed to buying the club. As has been said before and without spouting negativity, does he want to spend his readies with a new regime in place? Does he wait until after Christmas and if the season has gone tits up big time try to sell on his stake and bail out.

I can not see a businessman pumping umpteen millions into a venture (and thats what it is, not a love affair with the Blues) without trying to ensure our continued presence in the top flight. He may have different ideas about how that is achieved.

If he buys control of the club then he calls the shots, managerial or otherwise, to try and protect and grow his investment. You can be sure there will be no sentimentality about it. We aint got a lot of choice but to support the club and go along for a ride.

I am not really questioning his motives as such. I was just curious to see if there was a legal reason to prevent any such investment, before assuming full control of the club.

cheers

i doubt theres a legal reason to stop him,

but.............as at the moment he only has 29.9% of the shares i cant see that hes likely to want to throw money at it knowing that at the end of the day he could be out voted and blocked at every turn,,just say for instance he pumped £20 mill into transfers,we started to win some games and looked good to stay up,,would ds still be so keen to sell knowing he might get a good share of next years tv money ? also if we started doing ok the share price would hold up and cost mr yeung more.

from my point of view i cant see the value in buying 29% of the shares with others having control of the club,,its like buying a house with your m8 and his mrs,,at the end of the day you know your always going to get shafted when push comes to shove.

there may be a reason for this though,,i suppose it wouldnt be too hard to pick up a couple of % of the shares on the open market so mr yeungs 29% could come into play by selling his stake and then whoever buys it will have to launch a take over under stock market rules.

i hope theres no more to this than has already been stated in the press but lets be honest football clubs are now a thing to be traded.....

whatever the moties / reasons it needs sorting quickly
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I would imagine it is because his takeover of the club is far from certain, his up front investment was a show of good faith, and is a reversible decision I understand. Until he decides he wants to, and the current regime accept his take over we will not see the real colour of CY's money.
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Seeing as nobody but Yeung can give you the answer go and ask him. :Blues:
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Willie
Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

I don't think the bloke has that much money to be honest, he always seems to be waiting for something to happen in honkers before he can raise cash < < hmmmmmm i might be wrong??
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Sep 4 2007, 10:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

Because he had an agreement to purchase the club I would think.

Did Abramovich pour money into Chelsea beforehe took complete control?
Thaksin at Man City ?
The Glazers at Man Utd?
They were all parties that bought into a club, before full ownership.

You know Willie, I smell desperation in your little snipes at Yeung. :D

What next?

Why hasn't Yeung taken over the catering and abolished balti's ?

I still love you tho
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Sep 5 2007, 05:09 PM
Willie
Sep 4 2007, 10:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

Because he had an agreement to purchase the club I would think.

Did Abramovich pour money into Chelsea beforehe took complete control?
Thaksin at Man City ?
The Glazers at Man Utd?
They were all parties that bought into a club, before full ownership.

You know Willie, I smell desperation in your little snipes at Yeung. :D

What next?

Why hasn't Yeung taken over the catering and abolished balti's ?

I still love you tho
:kiss:

Ahhh Vivenne how nice to have you back. :D I was not sniping at him, just asking a question which it seems no one has a definite answer to.

I was shown an article at work to day which seemed be be saying he his takeover is dependant on how well BCFC do in between now and Christmas, it suggested that if we are struggling he may not be able to convince his backers to come up with the £35 to £50m needed to complete the takeover.

Which if true is a concern.

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Willie
Sep 5 2007, 06:32 AM
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Willie
Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

The only difference I can see is that the Pompey fellah was reported as having a very dodgy past (very much like the Manchester City benefactor who I still cannot believe to this day has been given control of an English PL club)....talk of involvement with Russian gangsters,money laundering and fraud etc although it all seems to have died away ....he claimed his innocence and that was that

The other difference is that remember Carson Yeung only holds 29.9 per cent of shares in the club which is the biggest holding but if you combine the shares held by The Golds,Sullivan and Brady they still hold the power in the boardroom (i.e can use votes to their own advantage OR put the block on some or all of Yeung's plans )

I imagine once we see 'complete and total' ownership by Mr Yeung then we may,just may see what kind of cash he is prepared to put in

Really think he has ideas of his own TBH....and that includes the position of Bruce.............SB is actually a little concerned at this takeover ..and he's mentioned it already and so I believe changes may well be on the way.......the absolutely disgraceful showing at The Riverside won't have helped Steve's cause at all

Yet another one who has no idea but takes the opportunity to spout more negativity.

Its a fairly simple question Gaydamack bought a shareholding in Pompey, similar to what Yeung has at Bcfc.
gaydamack then also provided funds for Redknapp to bring players in. he did this some months before taking full control of Pompey. was there anything stopping Yeung paying the £15m to buy his 29.9 stake and then as a major sharholder providing funds for players?

I find that a bizare statement from someone who seems to be grinding that old axe without, as it seems, much more of an idea as to what is happening at the blue towers than a good many of the other contributers to this board.

It's turming into a bit a witch hunt is it not Willy?
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Willie
Sep 5 2007, 06:10 AM
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Sep 5 2007, 06:57 AM
I cant see anything legally stopping him Willie. If that is so do we question his motives? He seems committed to buying the club. As has been said before and without spouting negativity, does he want to spend his readies with a new regime in place? Does he wait until after Christmas and if the season has gone tits up big time try to sell on his stake and bail out.

I can not see a businessman pumping umpteen millions into a venture (and thats what it is, not a love affair with the Blues) without trying to ensure our continued presence in the top flight. He may have different ideas about how that is achieved.

If he buys control of the club then he calls the shots, managerial or otherwise, to try and protect and grow his investment. You can be sure there will be no sentimentality about it. We aint got a lot of choice but to support the club and go along for a ride.

I am not really questioning his motives as such. I was just curious to see if there was a legal reason to prevent any such investment, before assuming full control of the club.

cheers

then why wasn`t that your question
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Sep 5 2007, 06:57 AM
I cant see anything legally stopping him Willie. If that is so do we question his motives? He seems committed to buying the club. As has been said before and without spouting negativity, does he want to spend his readies with a new regime in place? Does he wait until after Christmas and if the season has gone tits up big time try to sell on his stake and bail out.

I can not see a businessman pumping umpteen millions into a venture (and thats what it is, not a love affair with the Blues) without trying to ensure our continued presence in the top flight. He may have different ideas about how that is achieved.

If he buys control of the club then he calls the shots, managerial or otherwise, to try and protect and grow his investment. You can be sure there will be no sentimentality about it. We aint got a lot of choice but to support the club and go along for a ride.

I am not really questioning his motives as such. I was just curious to see if there was a legal reason to prevent any such investment, before assuming full control of the club.

cheers

then why wasn`t that your question

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what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....



It was the question i was asking. although i did word it differently :whistle:
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Who knows, its all speculation personally cant wait for the journey under Mr.Yeung to begin, but as for speculating about how much money hes got or his motives etc i think its a bit silly because none of us have a clue whats going on.

Just wish Mcmanaman was still playing :P
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Willie
Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

The only difference I can see is that the Pompey fellah was reported as having a very dodgy past (very much like the Manchester City benefactor who I still cannot believe to this day has been given control of an English PL club)....talk of involvement with Russian gangsters,money laundering and fraud etc although it all seems to have died away ....he claimed his innocence and that was that

The other difference is that remember Carson Yeung only holds 29.9 per cent of shares in the club which is the biggest holding but if you combine the shares held by The Golds,Sullivan and Brady they still hold the power in the boardroom (i.e can use votes to their own advantage OR put the block on some or all of Yeung's plans )

I imagine once we see 'complete and total' ownership by Mr Yeung then we may,just may see what kind of cash he is prepared to put in

Really think he has ideas of his own TBH....and that includes the position of Bruce.............SB is actually a little concerned at this takeover ..and he's mentioned it already and so I believe changes may well be on the way.......the absolutely disgraceful showing at The Riverside won't have helped Steve's cause at all

Yet another one who has no idea but takes the opportunity to spout more negativity.

Its a fairly simple question Gaydamack bought a shareholding in Pompey, similar to what Yeung has at Bcfc.
gaydamack then also provided funds for Redknapp to bring players in. he did this some months before taking full control of Pompey. was there anything stopping Yeung paying the £15m to buy his 29.9 stake and then as a major sharholder providing funds for players?

I find that a bizare statement from someone who seems to be grinding that old axe without, as it seems, much more of an idea as to what is happening at the blue towers than a good many of the other contributers to this board.

It's turming into a bit a witch hunt is it not Willy?

i think it is as well i debated this a few weeks ago with willie. dont moan at the anti SB people on here then try to provoke a reaction from them with loaded questions like that.
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Sep 4 2007, 09:44 PM
Between the gent who bought Portsmouth Gaydamack and Carsen Yeung.

what i do not understand is before Gaydamack bought Pompey he funded the purchase of several players in 2005/2006 as we all know. Was there anything stopping Yeung doing the same thing obviously before the window closed....

feed.back

The only difference I can see is that the Pompey fellah was reported as having a very dodgy past (very much like the Manchester City benefactor who I still cannot believe to this day has been given control of an English PL club)....talk of involvement with Russian gangsters,money laundering and fraud etc although it all seems to have died away ....he claimed his innocence and that was that

The other difference is that remember Carson Yeung only holds 29.9 per cent of shares in the club which is the biggest holding but if you combine the shares held by The Golds,Sullivan and Brady they still hold the power in the boardroom (i.e can use votes to their own advantage OR put the block on some or all of Yeung's plans )

I imagine once we see 'complete and total' ownership by Mr Yeung then we may,just may see what kind of cash he is prepared to put in

Really think he has ideas of his own TBH....and that includes the position of Bruce.............SB is actually a little concerned at this takeover ..and he's mentioned it already and so I believe changes may well be on the way.......the absolutely disgraceful showing at The Riverside won't have helped Steve's cause at all

Yet another one who has no idea but takes the opportunity to spout more negativity.

Its a fairly simple question Gaydamack bought a shareholding in Pompey, similar to what Yeung has at Bcfc.
gaydamack then also provided funds for Redknapp to bring players in. he did this some months before taking full control of Pompey. was there anything stopping Yeung paying the £15m to buy his 29.9 stake and then as a major sharholder providing funds for players?

I find that a bizare statement from someone who seems to be grinding that old axe without, as it seems, much more of an idea as to what is happening at the blue towers than a good many of the other contributers to this board.

It's turming into a bit a witch hunt is it not Willy?

i think it is as well i debated this a few weeks ago with willie. dont moan at the anti SB people on here then try to provoke a reaction from them with loaded questions like that.

So let me get this straight in what way do you consider this question to be loaded.

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Seeing as nobody but Yeung can give you the answer go and ask him. :Blues:

:applause: :applause: Too right

I tried to answer Willie's bloomin' question which judging by later on he seemed to know the answer anyway and then got accused of being 'negative'...LOL

Bloody amazing on here isn't it ?? . :banghead: ...seems to me if you want your opinions or comments about anything related to this football club trampled over like a steam-roller just come on here for a few days l

Anybody got a few days to spare and count how many posts contain the words 'Negative' or 'Negativity'.......must be in three figures ....maybe four

Oh and HTF was I being negative ????
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Anybody got a few days to spare and count how many posts contain the words 'Negative' or 'Negativity'.......must be in three figures ....maybe four

Oh and HTF was I being negative ????

i've seen it in a post from you to me about george graham, amongst others :rolleyes:
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Willie,I'm sorry but I could not contact Carson Yeung to ask him about investment but I to have read reports about Carson Yeung waiting to see what we are doing in the League before his final investment.
No one on this board will know the answer but we can only hope the team are doing well(15-16th place is well at the moment) and then he will take the club over and provide SB with 20 million quid to strengthen the squad.
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